Re: The correlation between murder and gun density

Posted by abela... on 19. December 2012

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:35:02 +0100, "Trogloditus"
wrote:




http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/
It is wholly legitimate to discuss subject matters without accounting for
every detail. This is a discussion group and not a scientific journal.



Mats Winther




does that mean it's ok for you to post piffle?




"yaputya" wrote
Nigeria 1


The correlation between mass-murder and gun density is weak, it seems.




Your subject states 'murder' not 'mass-murder'.
When you look at the firearm homicide rates between similar income countries
the US stands out clearly even
though the overall suicide rate is lower. You have to match this data with
ownership rates to justify any claims
to correlation.



'Homicide, suicide, and unintentional firearm fatality: comparing the United
States with other high-income countries, 2003.'
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20571454
'The US homicide rates were 6.9 times higher than rates in the other
high-income countries, driven by firearm homicide rates that
were 19.5 times higher. For 15-year olds to 24-year olds, firearm homicide
rates in the United States were 42.7 times higher than in
the other countries. For US males, firearm homicide rates were 22.0 times
higher, and for US females, firearm homicide rates were
11.4 times higher. The US firearm suicide rates were 5.8 times higher than
in the other countries, though overall suicide rates were
30% lower. The US unintentional firearm deaths were 5.2 times higher than in
the other countries. Among these 23 countries, 80% of
all firearm deaths occurred in the United States, 86% of women killed by
firearms were US women, and 87% of all children aged 0 to
14 killed by firearms were US children.
The United States has far higher rates of firearm deaths-firearm homicides,
firearm suicides, and unintentional firearm deaths
compared with other high-income countries. The US overall suicide rate is
not out of line with these countries, but the United
States is an outlier in terms of our overall homicide rate.'




In Nigeria there's only 1 gun per hundred citizens, yet it's one of the
most murderous countries in the world. Sweden has a very high gun density
with 31 guns per hundred citizens, but the murder rate is very low.
However, it is likely to rise strongly in the future on account of
demographic changes.



An amusing fact about Swedish gun laws is that a criminal who is caught
with an illegal gun will get a mitigation of sentence on account of being
a criminal. Since he needs the gun in his profession, he gets a shorter
term in prison than an honest citizen. Recently, a man was caught walking
around with a Kalashnikov. He pointed out that he was a criminal, and his
sentence was reduced. There are so many things associated with
liberal-minded Europeans that would be suitable for American comedy shows.



Mats Winther
http://home7.swipnet.se/~w-73784/




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